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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyDim 3 Oct - 15:19

Good news ! Merci !
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyLun 4 Oct - 11:03

Je viens de découvrir ce scoop! des démos et versions alternatives de Animals! désolé si c'est du réchauffé mais je n'étais pas du tout au courant de leur existence. Il y aura peut être un coffret avec ces versions en juin... on croise les doigts!
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/pink-floyd-album-animals-rare-alternative-takes/
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyMar 5 Oct - 12:56

Le contenu du coffret est déjà connu, et ça ne concerne que l'album studio : mix original de 77, nouveau mix de 2018 (de mémoire), un blu-ray avec version 5.1 et 2.0.
Pas de live, pas de early version, ni démo ou autres versions alternatives (à ce jour en tout cas).
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyMar 5 Oct - 18:48

Le truc qui ne sert pas a grand chose, a l'exception de renflouer les caisses...
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyMar 5 Oct - 22:22

C'est sûr que si les mix multicanaux ne t'intéresse pas, ça ne vaut rien... Mais ce n'est pas le cas de tout le monde Wink
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptySam 9 Oct - 18:51

Au sujet d'Animals...

https://www.loudersound.com/news/pink-floyds-animals-reimagined-by-host-of-prog-stars
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Aïe...je crains le pire.... Shocked
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyLun 11 Oct - 4:04

Tout n'est pas a jeter, mais cette voix  ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 422391



Pour ma part, je reviens toujours a la version de Dogs live de 2000 avec Jon Carin. Perfection!
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyLun 11 Oct - 11:51

pipi3 a écrit:
Pour ma part, je reviens toujours a la version de Dogs live de 2000 avec Jon Carin.  Perfection!

100% pareil ici.

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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyMar 12 Oct - 16:46

Déja la pochette, quelle horreur...

Shocked

Jordan Rudess aux claviers, bon ben là je pars en courant... No

Mais quand interdira t-on ces reprises infâmes de tout le back catalogue du Floyd ?
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptySam 21 Mai - 22:15

Ce ne sera pas pour mi juin... mais plutôt vers la fin de l'année! ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 667148 Rolling Eyes

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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyJeu 30 Juin - 15:20

Annonce sur le site officiel :

Sortie prévue mi septembre (17) en Europe pour les formats LP, CD, Blu-Ray et DVD ;
et sortie le 7 octobre d'une version 'Deluxe Gatefold' incluant les 4 formats ainsi qu'un livret de 32 pages.
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyJeu 30 Juin - 16:10

Un livret avec des annotations de Waters ? Very Happy

Le contenu n'a quand même pas l'air folichon.
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyJeu 30 Juin - 17:44

pour les annotations de Waters, elles sont sur son site de toute façon... Shocked

A note from Roger Waters to Pink Floyd fans:

As I am banned by Dave Gilmour from posting on Pink Floyd’s Facebook page with its 30,000,000 subscribers, I am posting this announcement here today and in full on rogerwaters.com.

First, a warm welcome back to our little band of brothers and sisters who have always kept an open mind, let’s hope some of the fans whose access to my words is suppressed by Gilmour find their way here and discover some truth.
What precipitated this note is that there are new James Guthrie Stereo and 5.1 mixes of the Pink Floyd album Animals, 1977. These mixes have languished unreleased because of a dispute over some sleeve notes that Mark Blake has written for this new release. Gilmour has vetoed the release of the album unless these liner notes are removed. He does not dispute the veracity of the history described in Mark’s notes, but he wants that history to remain secret. This is a small part of an ongoing campaign by the Gilmour/Samson camp to claim more credit for Dave on the work he did in Pink Floyd, 1967-1985, than is his due. Yes he was, and is, a jolly good guitarist and singer. But, he has for the last 35 years told a lot of whopping porky pies about who did what in Pink Floyd when I was still in charge. There’s a lot of “we did this” and “we did that,” and “I did this” and “I did that.” So, two things:

(1). I am agreeing to the release of the new Animals remix, with the sleeve notes removed. Good work James Guthrie by the way, and sorry Mark Blake. The final draft of the liner notes was fact checked and agreed as factually correct by me, Nick and Gilmour. Here they are, enjoy, there’s nothing controversial, just a few simple facts.

Mark Blake: Liner Notes

Pink Floyd: Animals
Despite being recorded in London during the long, summer heatwave of 1976, Pink Floyd’s Animals remains a dark album. Its critique of capitalism and greed caught the prevailing mood in Britain: a time of industrial strife, economic turmoil, The Troubles in Northern Ireland, and the race riots of Notting Hill. The album was released on January 23rd 1977, but the roots of Pink Floyd’s tenth studio album go back earlier in the decade. Following the success of 1973’s The Dark Side Of The Moon, Pink Floyd pondered their next move. During a two-to-three week jam session in early 1974, the band worked on ideas for three new compositions. From these sessions the band developed Shine On You Crazy Diamond, (A passionate tribute to Syd Barrett, words by Roger Waters. Added by me, sorry couldn’t help it.) which became the centrepiece of Floyd’s next album, Wish You Were Here, and Raving And Drooling (composed by Roger Waters) and You Gotta Be Crazy written by Waters and David Gilmour.

Raving And Drooling was a tale of violent social disorder, while You Gotta Be Crazy told the story of a soulless businessman clawing and cheating his way to the top. Both were performed live for the first time on the Floyd’s winter tour of 1974. They were both considered for the Wish You Were Here album, but Roger insisted that neither song was relevant to the overall idea, that “Wish You Were Here” was essentially about absence, and as neither song fitted his conception of the record’s overall theme, neither song should be included. The band eventually concurred. Scroll forward two years, and Roger had an idea for the next Pink Floyd album. He borrowed from George Orwell’s allegorical story, Animal Farm, in which pigs and other farmyard animals were reimagined anthropomorphically. Waters portrays the human race as three sub-species trapped in a violent, vicious cycle, with sheep serving despotic pigs and authoritarian dogs. You Gotta be Crazy and Raving And Drooling perfectly fitted his new concept. In the meantime, a year earlier, the group had bought a set of disused church buildings in Britannia Row, Islington, which they’d converted into a studio and storage facility. Prior to this every Pink Floyd studio release had been partly or wholly recorded at Abbey Road studios. Pink Floyd had also found a new recording engineer. Brian Humphries, an engineer from Pye studios, who they had met while recording the sound track for “More”, a movie directed by Barbet Schroeder. Brian had gone on to engineer Wish You Were Here at Abbey Road, and also helped them out on the road, so they had got to know him very well. Using their own studio marked a significant change in their working methods. There were setbacks and teething problems, but also a great sense of freedom.

Following Roger’s instincts about the new songs paid off, the songs had an aggressive edge far removed from the luxuriant soundscapes on Wish You Were Here. It was a timely change of direction. At Britannia Row, he renamed Raving And Drooling, Sheep and Gotta Be Crazy became Dogs. The narrative was completed by the addition of two new Waters songs: Pigs (Three Different Ones) and Pigs On The Wing.

On Pigs (Three Different Ones), the lyrics namechecked Mary Whitehouse, the head of the National Viewers And Listeners Association. Whitehouse was an outspoken critic of sex and violence on British television and a topical target for Roger’s ire. The subject matter was bleak, but Nick Mason recalled lighter moments over dubbing songs with special effects and barnyard noises. While Sheep also made room for Roger’s blackly comic variation on Psalm 23: “He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places/ He converteth me to lamb cutlets…” The music and the performance mirrored the intensity of the lyrics. Keyboard player Richard Wright’s eerie-sounding synths and Hammond organ cranked up the unease. While David Gilmour’s shared lead vocal on Dogs and his guitar playing throughout Animals offered a striking counterpoint to Roger’s brutal lyrics. In contrast, Animals began and ended on an optimistic note. The verses of Pigs on The Wing were split in two and bookended the album. Roger’s lyrics and vocal performance of acoustic intro and outro (“You know that I care what happens to you/ And I know that you care for me too…”) suggested hope for humanity. The idea for Pink Floyd’s flying pig was also Roger’s. He had already commissioned its building as a stage device for the next tour. Storm Thorgerson and Aubrey Powell of the design company Hipgnosis, had produced a number of design ideas for an Animals sleeve and presented them to the band but none of the band, liked them, and when Roger added his disapproval someone said, ”Well why don’t you come up with something better then?” So he did, on the drive from his house in South London to Britannia Row, he regularly passed Battersea Power Station. He was drawn to the imposing brick building, and by the number four. Four in the band, four phallic chimneys, and if the power station were turned upside down then it resembled a table with four legs. He pursued his idea and had a maquette made, a small scale model of the eventual full scale inflatable pig. He then took photographs of Battersea Power station and created a photographic mock up of an album sleeve. The rest of the band loved it. Storm and Po, who had designed all of the previous Pink Floyd album covers, graciously offered to source photographers for the photo shoot, and did. On the first day of the photo shoot, the pig failed to inflate. On the second day, it broke free of its moorings and disappeared into a beautiful brooding sky, prompting a frantic call to the police and a halt to all flights in and out of Heathrow. The pig eventually crash-landed in a farmer’s field in Kent.

The following day, the shoot went ahead without a hitch, great shots of pig in situ but no brooding sky. So Storm and Po stripped Day three Pig into Day two sky, bingo! History. Animals was a hit, reaching Number 2 in the UK and Number 3 in the US. Pink Floyd’s pig, Algie, made its live debut on their subsequent “In The Flesh” tour in 1977. At stadium shows in America, it was joined by another Water’s idea, an inflatable nuclear family comprising a mother, father and 2.5 children, surrounded by the spoils of a consumerist lifestyle: an inflatable Cadillac, oversized TV and refrigerator. Roger called it Electric Theatre. Both the album and the tour signposted the way to Pink Floyd’s next release, The Wall, and to Roger’s ever more ambitious ideas, both in terms of his music, narratives, politics and stage shows. But his themes and ideas explored on Animals have endured. More than 40 years on the album has been remixed in stereo and 5.1. In troubled times and an uncertain world, Animals is as timely and relevant now as it ever was.
Mark Blake

Thanks Mark, sorry you were redacted.

(2). I am in the middle of writing my Memoirs and inevitably some of it contains references to some of the content above. For anyone with a faint heart, I suggest you sit down, but anyone who likes a good laugh, sit back and fucking howl! 😂 ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 422391 ✊🏼 I’m going to sit back and howl along with you.

At the beginning of this post on the subject of porky pies, I say, “There’s an awful lot of “we did this” and “we did that,” and “I did this” and “I did that.” Right? So here’s a short extract from my memoir:

“As chance would have it I was doing a bit of delving in a book of press clippings and came across an interview David Fricke of Rolling Stone Magazine did with DG in a hotel room in NY in 1982, DG’s talking about the Cash register tape for the defining 7/8 rhythm on Money. The interview was published in Musician Magazine, so even back then DG was sowing the seeds of the false narrative. I quote this bit of the article verbatim:

David Fricke: “You recorded the sounds for ‘Money’ on a loop of tape.” Gilmour explains: ”You’re trying to get the impact from the cash register, ‘the snap, crack, crsssh,” You’d mark that one and then measure how long you wanted that beat to go, and that’s the piece you’d use. And you’d chop it together. It was trial and error. You just chop the tapes together, and if it sounds good, you use it. If it doesn’t, you take one section out and put a different one in. Sometimes we’d put one in and it’d be backwards, because the diagonal cut on the tape, if you turn it around is exactly the same. We’d stick that in and instead it would go ‘chung, dum, whoosh.’ And sound great so we’d use that.”
Well! The reason everything DG is saying here to David Fricke sounds like gobbledygook is because it is fucking gobbledygook. He has no fucking idea what he’s talking about. Why? Because unless he was hiding under the fucking chair, DG wasn’t there when I made that SFX tape loop for Money in the studio I shared with my wife Judy at the bottom of our garden at 187, New North Road, Islington, next door to the North Pole Pub where I used to play darts!

THE FULL STORY OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IS IN MY MEMOIRS!
So, I hope that whets your, and David and Polly’s appetites 😂
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyJeu 30 Juin - 20:25

Enfin!
On savait qu'il n'y aurait pas de live. C'est comme ça.
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyJeu 21 Juil - 22:38

https://youtu.be/jX5x9wzMN4s

Dogs new mix en avant première sur youtube. Bon, c'est pas la plateforme qui nous offrira le meilleur son, mais on remarque quand même un bel équilibre sur le morceau, et pas mal de détail qui ressortent. Prometteur, mais j'attends le bluray pour vraiment me faire un vrai avis.
N'empêche, Dogs.... Quel put... de morceau !
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyVen 22 Juil - 3:33

*****pierre a écrit:
Enfin!
On savait qu'il n'y aurait pas de live. C'est comme ça.

Il faudrait que quelqu un recolle les morceaux des concerts de Roger, et on l'aurait en live

Pigs on the Wing (part I & II, Snowy avec le solo bridge) version Desert Strip
Dogs version In The Flesh
Pigs version Desert Strip (ou Us + Them)
Sheep version Ce N'est Pas Un Exercice  ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 11850  (les versions 2006-2008 sont pas quand meme top)

Cette voix de Dingo  ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 2106  Things are not what they seem...tu l'as dit bouffi (le show vocal commence a 1min43s)  ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 826950



Sinon, on est d'accord Ivri, Dogs est un morceau d'anthologie.  Pour moi Animals est dans le top 4 des Floyds.  Aucun dechet sur cet album.
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyVen 22 Juil - 8:40

Le remix de Dogs est dispo sur les plateformes en HiRes pour les intéressés.
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyVen 22 Juil - 10:48

Hum, je suis en train d'écouter (malheureusement pas dans des conditions optimales), mais alors même comme ça, ça change radicalement.
Les instruments sont bien mieux définis, ça "respire" à fond, mais il manque l’espèce de lien qu'il y avait entre toutes les parties sur le mix d'origine.

C'est intéressant en tout cas Smile

Edit : pas fan de la dernière section, on perd la montée en puissance je trouve
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Oh je vais écouter tout ça vite.

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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyVen 22 Juil - 12:15

Écouté au casque via Deezer.
Les guitares acoustiques et les claviers ressortent beaucoup plus. Je rejoins Floyder sur la meilleure définition des instruments en général et une certaine absence de liant entre eux (disons qu'on sent nettement que c'est pas une prise live quoi).
Intéressant quoiqu'il en soit.
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptyVen 22 Juil - 13:51

Écoute au casque également de mon côté sur Qobuz en HiRes.
On ressent clairement mieux tous les instruments, et du coup, le boulot de Mason et Wright ressort bien plus qu'avant. Ça devient peut-être un peu trop "propre" du coup, ce qui colle moins bien à l'ambiance générale de cet album. Mais c'est une vrai belle curiosité, très appréciable. Le mix 5.1 risque d'être très prometteur au vu de la clarté de chaque instrument.
À noter que le pont et ses effets me semblent bien plus intéressant sur ce nouveau mix que l'ancien. On sent mieux les différentes variations.
Bref, ça le fait !
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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptySam 23 Juil - 3:57

En ecoute, et ce nouveau mix est plutot sympa.   Tres bonnes separations des instruments et des voix, un mix tres clinique.  Dogs est en effet un vrai regal!  

Sinon, j'ai voulu me mordre la queue en ecoutant ce gros boudin bien puant Shocked

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MessageSujet: Re: ANIMALS 5.1    ANIMALS 5.1  - Page 5 EmptySam 23 Juil - 8:07

Hello tous!
Je découvre avec plaisir ce nouveau mix et je vous rejoins : on gagne énormément en clarté, les instruments sont bien mieux définis. Cet album avait justement besoin de respirer un peu plus !
Seul bémol : je me demande pourquoi les claviers semblent avoir été quasi écartés du mix sur la première partie de la chanson (juste après l’arrivée de la batterie…) Shocked
On verra sur le mix 5.1 mais pour le coup je ne comprends pas trop le parti pris…
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